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                        Mt. Holz Science Fiction Society
                    Club Notice - 12/05/97 -- Vol. 16, No. 23

       MT Chair/Librarian:
                     Mark Leeper   MT 3E-433  732-957-5619 mleeper@lucent.com
       HO Chair:     John Jetzt    MT 2E-530  732-957-5087 jetzt@lucent.com
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       Distinguished Heinlein Apologist:
                     Rob Mitchell  MT 2D-536  732-957-6330 rlmitchell1@lucent.com
       Factotum:     Evelyn Leeper MT 3E-433  732-957-2070 eleeper@lucent.com
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       meets on the third Saturday of every month in Belleville; call
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       Association meets 7:30 PM on the third Saturday of every month at
       Southwest State Bank, 1380 S. Federal Blvd.

       1. URL of the week: http://www.y2ktimebomb.com.   This  is  a  site
       updated  daily  that  looks  at  various  aspects  of the Year 2000
       problem.  It is beginning to look like  this  is  a  huge  disaster
       looming  that  will  affect  every  one  of  us  more  than we ever
       suspected.  My recent editorial on the subject  is  scratching  the
       surface.   It  is  worthwhile  and more than a little scary to read
       what experts have to say on the subject.  [-mrl]

       ===================================================================

       2. Recently scientists cloned a sheep.  The cloned sheep  was  born
       healthy  and  as  far  as  we  can tell happy.  The birth caused an
       international controversy.  People all over the  world  thought  it
       was  horrible  and  unnatural to clone a living creature.  What are
       the consequences for  humans  if  people  will  be  able  to  clone
       themselves?   Many  people,  particularly  people  with a religious
       viewpoint, think scientists  should  not  be  fooling  around  with
       something  so  basic  as  reproduction.   To  some  cloning  is  an
       abomination.

       More recently a woman who had been using fertility drugs gave birth
       to four boys and three girls at one time.  One is almost tempted to
       call this giving birth to "a litter" since it is so uncommon for  a
       birth  in  such  numbers to happen to a human.  At this writing the
       hospital has labeled six of the newborns in serious  condition  and
       one  in  critical condition.  I hear a clamor, but not the clamor I
       was expecting.  People are overjoyed and are showering gifts on the
       new  brood.   I  just  heard they have been offered free disposable
       diapers for life by  one  well-known  producer  of  such  products.
       [Postscript:  by the next day this has turned into a flood of gifts
       from companies looking for cheap publicity.]   The  public  on  the
       whole  seems  to  be taking great pride in the idea that people can
       mass produce themselves with the use of drugs, even if a few of the
       babies  die afterward.  The father has asked that people around the
       world pray that the seven children all survive and at this  writing
       it  looks  like  it  will  be  a  close  thing.   The  babies  have
       underdeveloped lungs as a result of the process.

       Nobody asked for prayer that the cloned sheep would survive and had
       the  scientists  been foolish enough to ask for it, they would have
       just been derided.  But of  course  the  sheep  did  not  need  any
       prayer;  she  was  born  completely  healthy.  If, as some believe,
       health is under God's  control  and  He  uses  it  to  express  his
       pleasure  and displeasure, the message I am getting is that He more
       favors the cloned sheep.

       The public does not like the idea of reproducing people  one  at  a
       time  through cloning.  The complaint cannot be that there would be
       pairs of people running around with identical  DNA.   That  happens
       all the time with identical twins.  As near as I can figure out the
       difference is that drug-taking to increase births seems natural  to
       people.   I  think  the  belief is that God sees nothing wrong with
       people swallowing any sort of strange  chemical  concoction.   That
       is,  as  long  as  the  drug does not alter consciousness and brain
       function and as long as it means more children and not less.  Drugs
       that change behavior and are considered wrong.  And certainly there
       are religions who are aghast that  someone  would  use  a  drug  to
       prevent  pregnancy.   But taking a pill that creates more children,
       healthy or  not,  is  just  fine  by  most  people.   Mind-altering
       substances are banned; birth control in the usual sense is bad; but
       taking  drugs  to  increase  fertility  is  much  more  acceptable,
       apparently.  Most religions do not complain about that.  Of course,
       some, like Christian Science, probably do.  But fertility drugs are
       considered natural and non-fertility drugs a sin.

       On the other hand cloning which also leads to more children is  not
       so  subtle  as  a  drug  now  and  it  may  never  be.  It involves
       operations  done  outside  the  body.    It   involves   mechanical
       processes.   It involves using metal and glass.  Of course, so does
       artificial insemination and especially in vitro fertilization,  but
       I  think  people  do  not so feel warm and fuzzy about that either.
       The  rule  seems  to  be  that  if  fooling  with  reproduction  is
       technically  complex  or  results in fewer people being born, it is
       bad.  But if it is as simple as taking a drug and results  in  more
       people,  that  results  in a flood of gifts and well-wishers.  Does
       this make sense? [-mrl]

       ===================================================================

       3. FOUNDATION'S FEAR, by Gregory Benford [Harper Prism,  hardcover,
       copyright  1997.  ISBN 0-06-105243-4, 425 pp] (a book review by Joe
       Karpierz):

       I would venture a guess that there are very few among us that  have
       not  read Isaac Asimov's "Foundation Trilogy."  I remember it being
       among the first works of sf that I  read  during  my  own  personal
       "golden  age"  of  sf.   While  I don't remember as much about "The
       Foundation Trilogy" as I would like, I do remember that I liked  it
       very  much,  and  that  it  pretty much caused me to run out to the
       library to find more of this Asimov fellow.  It was truly the  best
       sf that I had ever read.

       The problem with that kind of statement is  that,  with  time,  our
       memories  may  play tricks on us.  Was "The Foundation Trilogy" all
       that good, or is that just a fond childhood memory?  I really don't
       have the answer to that question, because I haven't read it in many
       years.  I have a vague recollection of reading it  about  the  time
       that FOUNDATION'S EDGE came out, back in 1982 or so.  Isaac himself
       said that when he was finally convinced to write FOUNDATION'S EDGE,
       he  went back and reread the original trilogy.  He said that he was
       amazed, because nothing ever happened.  It was all dialogue.

       Well, I deliberately didn't go out and reread all the  "Foundation"
       books  before  I  embarked on FOUNDATION'S FEAR, the first of a new
       "Foundation" trilogy.  That was mostly due to time constraints.  If
       I went out and read prior books in any series any time a new volume
       in that series came out, I'd never have the time to  read  anything
       new.  The new trilogy was commissioned by the Asimov estate, and is
       being written by what fandom is calling the  Killer  B's:   Gregory
       Benford,  Greg Bear, and David Brin.  Gregory Benford was first up,
       and he turns in a reasonably decent story, but somehow  it  doesn't
       feel quite right.

       The timeframe for the story is just before  Hari  Seldon  has  been
       elected  First  Minister of the Galactic Empire, and also before he
       has completely worked out the theory of psychohistory.  Hari  is  a
       "mathist"  just  trying  to do his job; he wants nothing to do with
       Imperial politics.  His problem is that Cleon the Emperor wants him
       as First Minister.  And it gets worse from there.

       It's hard to talk about this novel in a sequential fashion when  so
       many  different things are going on at one time.  One subplot deals
       with the behind the scenes maneuvering on the part of  Hari's  wife
       Dors  (a  robot)  and  our old friend R. Daneel Olivaw to make sure
       that Hari gets the First Ministership *and* survives  the  process.
       Another  subplot deals with various attempts on Hari's life because
       of the enemy that he has made on the council.  Yet another  subplot
       deals  with  two  artificial  personalities  that  are loose in the
       "Mesh," which is the Empire's version of  the  Internet,  and  what
       they  find  there.  And of course there is the subplot dealing with
       Hari  and  his  staff  attempting  to  work  out  the  details   of
       psychohistory.   (For  those  of you who like things like this, one
       whole section of the novel is either adapted  from  Benford's  1997
       Hugo-nominated  story  "Immersion,"  or that story was adapted from
       this portion of the novel.  It's used as a way for Hari to discover
       more things about psychohistory.)

       Having said all that, I have discovered  that  I  have  some  mixed
       emotions  about  not only this novel, but the concept of the entire
       trilogy.  It's been said by several friends of mine that  they  did
       not  care  for 2010: ODYSSEY TWO because it attempted to answer the
       questions that were posed in 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY.  They felt that
       the  questions  were best left unanswered, so that the reader had a
       chance to think on  those  questions  and  come  with  his/her  own
       answers.   I  sort  of  feel  the  same  way about the new trilogy,
       especially in the fact that it deals with Hari Seldon at  an  early
       stage  in  his  career.   To  me,  Seldon  was  a  very mysterious,
       authoritative, nearly godlike figure that appeared when you  needed
       him  most.   Have Hari revealed like this is somewhat disturbing to
       me;  I didn't *want* to know about him (And yes, the same could  be
       said  for  Asimov's treatment of Seldon in FORWARD THE FOUNDATION--
       but it almost doesn't count.  There was more of Asimov in  Seldon's
       character  there  than there was of Seldon himself, especially near
       his death.).

       Other aspects of the story don't seem to fit in our  accepted  view
       of the Galactic Empire, and I wonder why they were introduced.  Why
       the artificial personalities, or "sims," as he  calls,  them?   And
       why  the  introduction  of the alien life forms?  Benford admits in
       the afterword that he is setting things up for Bear and Brin.  I'll
       assume  for  the  moment  that  the sims and aliens are part of the
       setup.  We'll see.

       On the other hand, I enjoyed the novel  overall.   It  was  a  good
       read,  nicely  paced  (in  my  opinion),  and reasonably well done.
       Benford doesn't try to copy Isaac's style, which I think was a good
       idea.   And  things  *did*  happen in the novel, which is certainly
       different from the original, if you were to ask Isaac himself.  I'd
       recommend  the  book even with my mixed emotions about it.  I think
       it's worth the time.  And I do look forward to the next  two  books
       in "The Second Foundation Trilogy."  [-jak]

                                          Mark Leeper
                                          MT 3E-433 732-957-5619